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Post  eklipse13 on Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:54 pm

Talk about paradoxes here:

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The Liar Paradox:
This statement is false.

The Ontological Paradox:
I went back in time and killed my father, which means I could not exist, which means I could not have killed my father, which means I do exist, which means I killed my father...


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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Jon on Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:54 pm

solution to the ontological paradox: by killing your father, he never existed, so you had a different father, meaning the person you killed was not you father.

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:13 pm

Does nothing exist? What is nothing?
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:50 pm

Jon wrote:solution to the ontological paradox: by killing your father, he never existed, so you had a different father, meaning the person you killed was not you father.
really, if you were to go back and time and kill your father you wouldn't b/c if you did, you wouldn't be able to b/c you already did therefore you don't exist, and so once the infinite time cycle goes around once or whatever, you'll never exist,

(translation, if you do, you did, and you don't exist therefore you can't really) Think about it, you'll hurt your head Wink

The Liar Paradox:
This statement is false.

which statement?, exactly
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:46 pm

it takes a lot to make my head hurt. um, that isn't doing it. Happy
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:52 pm

ok, you can't go back in time to kill your say, mother, because if you did you wouldn't exist and therefore not have the ability to do it! (you can't do what you can)
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:50 pm

yes, mother is different. Wink

well, then again, it depends in what point of time you kill your father, because at some point you'd be a different person, so this would still be possible. Laughing
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:46 am

yeah, it still goes WEIRD when you kill your father, but the mother... then things are like OMGWTFBBQ!
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:04 pm

It's incredibly complicated, depending on at what point in time you did it. Puzzled
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Jon on Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:08 am

I am always lying.

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:36 am

the barber paradox: An adult male barber shaves all men who do not shave themselves, and no one else. Can he shave himself?
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  eklipse13 on Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:40 pm

moved to general: thought you guys were going to spam it, but you didn't, so...

@felicia: The statement that says, "this statement is false." it is similar to jon's most recent post before this one.

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:16 pm

except this statement could refer to any statement and therefore is flawed as a paradox Wink
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  BobShmob on Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:18 pm

But "I'm always lying" fixes it Wink
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Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:20 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes <--- wiki has a lot of paradoxes
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:02 pm

@Jay: I know that, I was talking about the ontological paradox.

and WOW, that is a lot of paradoxes!
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  eklipse13 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:52 pm

IzNotSpontaneous wrote:except this statement could refer to any statement and therefore is flawed as a paradox Wink

the thing is that it says "this statement," which infers it as talking about itself.

Here's another fix:

One one side of a piece of paper it states:
"THE STATEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PAPER IS TRUE"
On the other:
"THE STATEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PAPER IS FALSE"

think about it.

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:54 pm

well, the other side of *this paper

*this is to broad of a term, for all I know you are talking about the paper in California!

(refrain from using this in paradoxes like that)
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:21 pm

yes "this" is an excruciatingly vague term, but it is used in most paradoxes and you can't do anything about it. Razz
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:23 am

and therefore those paradoxes are failz, and therefore not truely paradoxez!
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  eklipse13 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:10 am

not really. you just can't understand the concept.

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:28 pm

no... its just not truly specific enough to have no flaws in it at all, but since it does it therefore is not infinitely impossible! Razz
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  eklipse13 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:14 pm

wow... Puzzled

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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  Insanity on Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:45 pm

Wow what, that wasn't confusing. Maybe pathetic, but, erm, not really worthy of provoking a "wow".
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Re: Paradoxes!

Post  IzNotSpontaneous on Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:54 pm

Insanity wrote:Wow what, that wasn't confusing. Maybe pathetic, but, erm, not really worthy of provoking a "wow".
thanks, you make me feel so loved Rolling Eyes
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